clank72
Mar 31, 12:28 PM
Waist of time.
Eric-PTEK
Dec 26, 03:14 PM
Everyone who has said something against Mac's in a business environment is right.
Everyone who has harped on downtime for PC's is wrong.
I often wonder where this mystical downtime associated with PC's is?
Sure PC's can get viruses, and yes, viruses can cause downtime. If downtime is that important, get a IPS.
If downtime is so important buy a better warranty. I sell Lenovo's as a standard business desktop, $549 w/ a 3 year NBD on site warranty, can't wait NBD, tack on another $90 for a 4 hour response warranty.
If up time is important than you do things to mitigate that downtime, and I don't care if you add up every single thing out there to mitigate that risk you won't come close to the cost of implementing Mac hardware.
And that's not even getting into software compatability, backup, service, and all the other things mentioned here.
I have never, EVER, had a user call me due to downtime on a virus or anything else where we had put in a proper security system. User security, IPS, network security, etc.
I rarely even have my customers use their warranties, even though we sell them with each machine. I've had one bad PS in a HP Server in the past 2 years and that was a installation error. The customer had a new phone system installed and for some reason the installer decided to move their server connection to the phone system's UPS, which is not capable of protecting the server.
I sell uptime and business continuity and Mac's don't offer it. It's also obvious Apple wants no part of it by getting rid of the Xserve's, but even before that their absolutely INSANE 30K or whatever it was for 1 year of on site warranty was ridiculous.
Still, even if they fixed all that, SharePoint is an app killer for Mac's, without ActiveX its useless to most business customers.
Specifically mention how video resources can easily be composed with OSX Server's Podcast Producer and served to mac's iPhones/iPad.
Another aspect ... no NEED to purchase different PDF volume licenses for Adobe Pro/Standard 9/10 for simple editing [I'm unsure if Preview can edit Tables/create them].
MS Office is now properly available for OSX and is up to par with 2010 for Windows: including ability to import, edit and add-on to PST files. This will be an important mention.
* Key point. Mention a server based email anti-virus license solution - for outbound emails, or FTP/Sharepoint sites that have files uploaded to Windows users that your company/employees communicate with.
* MS Office Communicator [OCS] is now available and COMPLETELY compatible for Mac - part of Office 2011 as I'm ALREADY doing this without need for a VPN connection [using OWA settings] with corporation contacts in OCS.
* more standardized ordering of hardware makes support MUCH MUCH easier. Having a high level apple certification for both hardware/server - makes your argument THAT MUCH more sound and heard in a more official and presentable voice.
* Mention how Open Directory supports Active Directory infrastructure - again certification and a direct line of specific Apple support in this respect WILL be crucial and helpful.
Wrong. We're a SharePoint Developer, yes if you want a pretty calendar for all to see Safari cuts it, beyond that its not even close.
Sharepoint Workspace does 10 times as much as the Mac SharePoint app. The Mac SharePoint app is there to make up for the lack of some ActiveX connectivity but you cannot sync entire projects offline.
What good is open directory? I can manage every single thing on every single Windows box, can't do that with a Mac.
You have 100 PC's and you want to publish a new SharePoint list to Outlook for every user.
How do you do it without Active Directory and group policies...well first, SharePoint lists don't work in Outlook for the Mac so guess you'd stop there.
All your doing is wasting your companies time, effort, and money, trying to shoe horn something in there that should not be just because.
You want standard hardware, fine, go pick a spec and buy it. Who exactly from Apple is going to come out and fix the computer, no one. Yet you can get same day on site service from IBM, Lenovo, and Dell, cheap.
Mac's in a business environment make no logical sense, it is an emotional decision because when put down on paper and looked at from a TCO/ROI aspect they will always come out on the losing end.
I could go on and on, but this is a productivity issue: I am not as productive on Windows as I am on a Mac. Microsoft has been in disarray for years and it shows. Why on Server 2008 does the utility "Server Management" and "Manage Server" point to 2 totally different applications? Sounds like someone is shipping off projects to India and not paying attention.
Now before I get accused of MS bashing, I will point out that MS makes excellent front-end applications such as Office. This is where the company shines (Access is really great product). They just make crappy operating systems and servers.
Windows Server 2008 does not have a Manage Server option, and in fact its Manage My Server. SBS has that, but not server 2008.
Crappy servers? Really, find me anyone, anyone, who is a system admin, who complains about MS's server operating systems?
They are rock solid. I've never had a single server crash, not a one. They run, night and day, without problems.
If you think servers are for sharing data then it shows how little people know about the true reason you put in a server. You manage entire networks with them.
1. I have had to fix the registry twice after installing Opera -if you install that into Windows 7 the system starts generating security errors and warnings, and you can no longer open hyperlinks in Outlook. This is Microsoft preventing you from installing 3rd party browsers into Windows 7 -I don't have these issues on my Mac (I run 3 browsers there)
Really, then why not do it all via GPO and be done with it? It has nothing to do with MS stopping you from installing browsers. I'd question the common sense of installing some 3rd party little known browser in a business environment.
The fact your using the windows installer to push out an app in a business environment with AD available to you is a problem in itself. If you need to install software and then push out REG patches it can all be done via GPO in 1 step.
I look after 250+ macs across 8 advertising companies across 3 countries.
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All very true. I would guess however that your industry is more Mac centric and your setup while most likely robust was not something that was put together in a day.
The value of running a Mac for business reasons outweighs the extra cost of managing your system. The integration software is not cheap, I'd suspect you make a good bit more than a standard system admin, and if you don't, you should because of the stuff your running.
I'm sure your system works well, but I'd also guess your system cost quite a bit more to implement than something all Windows based.
Your company did it for a business reason, not just because, which is what a lot of these answers are here, lets just run Mac's because.
If Mac's made more business sense to a customer I'd be all over it, value is what you need to provide. I had a customer, 9 Mac's, 2 PC's, once we sat down and looked at what it cost to do it the right way, like your doing it, out went the Mac's. There was no specific reason for them to stay on Mac's.
As far as the comment on the Enterprise vs the smaller business. We implement Enterprise quality systems in small businesses. That is our business model. It is not expensive at all, at least today. I doubt we could do what we do today for the cost 5-6 years ago.
MS is not stupid, they are creating a lot of solid smaller business apps that are cost effective.
Everyone who has harped on downtime for PC's is wrong.
I often wonder where this mystical downtime associated with PC's is?
Sure PC's can get viruses, and yes, viruses can cause downtime. If downtime is that important, get a IPS.
If downtime is so important buy a better warranty. I sell Lenovo's as a standard business desktop, $549 w/ a 3 year NBD on site warranty, can't wait NBD, tack on another $90 for a 4 hour response warranty.
If up time is important than you do things to mitigate that downtime, and I don't care if you add up every single thing out there to mitigate that risk you won't come close to the cost of implementing Mac hardware.
And that's not even getting into software compatability, backup, service, and all the other things mentioned here.
I have never, EVER, had a user call me due to downtime on a virus or anything else where we had put in a proper security system. User security, IPS, network security, etc.
I rarely even have my customers use their warranties, even though we sell them with each machine. I've had one bad PS in a HP Server in the past 2 years and that was a installation error. The customer had a new phone system installed and for some reason the installer decided to move their server connection to the phone system's UPS, which is not capable of protecting the server.
I sell uptime and business continuity and Mac's don't offer it. It's also obvious Apple wants no part of it by getting rid of the Xserve's, but even before that their absolutely INSANE 30K or whatever it was for 1 year of on site warranty was ridiculous.
Still, even if they fixed all that, SharePoint is an app killer for Mac's, without ActiveX its useless to most business customers.
Specifically mention how video resources can easily be composed with OSX Server's Podcast Producer and served to mac's iPhones/iPad.
Another aspect ... no NEED to purchase different PDF volume licenses for Adobe Pro/Standard 9/10 for simple editing [I'm unsure if Preview can edit Tables/create them].
MS Office is now properly available for OSX and is up to par with 2010 for Windows: including ability to import, edit and add-on to PST files. This will be an important mention.
* Key point. Mention a server based email anti-virus license solution - for outbound emails, or FTP/Sharepoint sites that have files uploaded to Windows users that your company/employees communicate with.
* MS Office Communicator [OCS] is now available and COMPLETELY compatible for Mac - part of Office 2011 as I'm ALREADY doing this without need for a VPN connection [using OWA settings] with corporation contacts in OCS.
* more standardized ordering of hardware makes support MUCH MUCH easier. Having a high level apple certification for both hardware/server - makes your argument THAT MUCH more sound and heard in a more official and presentable voice.
* Mention how Open Directory supports Active Directory infrastructure - again certification and a direct line of specific Apple support in this respect WILL be crucial and helpful.
Wrong. We're a SharePoint Developer, yes if you want a pretty calendar for all to see Safari cuts it, beyond that its not even close.
Sharepoint Workspace does 10 times as much as the Mac SharePoint app. The Mac SharePoint app is there to make up for the lack of some ActiveX connectivity but you cannot sync entire projects offline.
What good is open directory? I can manage every single thing on every single Windows box, can't do that with a Mac.
You have 100 PC's and you want to publish a new SharePoint list to Outlook for every user.
How do you do it without Active Directory and group policies...well first, SharePoint lists don't work in Outlook for the Mac so guess you'd stop there.
All your doing is wasting your companies time, effort, and money, trying to shoe horn something in there that should not be just because.
You want standard hardware, fine, go pick a spec and buy it. Who exactly from Apple is going to come out and fix the computer, no one. Yet you can get same day on site service from IBM, Lenovo, and Dell, cheap.
Mac's in a business environment make no logical sense, it is an emotional decision because when put down on paper and looked at from a TCO/ROI aspect they will always come out on the losing end.
I could go on and on, but this is a productivity issue: I am not as productive on Windows as I am on a Mac. Microsoft has been in disarray for years and it shows. Why on Server 2008 does the utility "Server Management" and "Manage Server" point to 2 totally different applications? Sounds like someone is shipping off projects to India and not paying attention.
Now before I get accused of MS bashing, I will point out that MS makes excellent front-end applications such as Office. This is where the company shines (Access is really great product). They just make crappy operating systems and servers.
Windows Server 2008 does not have a Manage Server option, and in fact its Manage My Server. SBS has that, but not server 2008.
Crappy servers? Really, find me anyone, anyone, who is a system admin, who complains about MS's server operating systems?
They are rock solid. I've never had a single server crash, not a one. They run, night and day, without problems.
If you think servers are for sharing data then it shows how little people know about the true reason you put in a server. You manage entire networks with them.
1. I have had to fix the registry twice after installing Opera -if you install that into Windows 7 the system starts generating security errors and warnings, and you can no longer open hyperlinks in Outlook. This is Microsoft preventing you from installing 3rd party browsers into Windows 7 -I don't have these issues on my Mac (I run 3 browsers there)
Really, then why not do it all via GPO and be done with it? It has nothing to do with MS stopping you from installing browsers. I'd question the common sense of installing some 3rd party little known browser in a business environment.
The fact your using the windows installer to push out an app in a business environment with AD available to you is a problem in itself. If you need to install software and then push out REG patches it can all be done via GPO in 1 step.
I look after 250+ macs across 8 advertising companies across 3 countries.
Snip...
All very true. I would guess however that your industry is more Mac centric and your setup while most likely robust was not something that was put together in a day.
The value of running a Mac for business reasons outweighs the extra cost of managing your system. The integration software is not cheap, I'd suspect you make a good bit more than a standard system admin, and if you don't, you should because of the stuff your running.
I'm sure your system works well, but I'd also guess your system cost quite a bit more to implement than something all Windows based.
Your company did it for a business reason, not just because, which is what a lot of these answers are here, lets just run Mac's because.
If Mac's made more business sense to a customer I'd be all over it, value is what you need to provide. I had a customer, 9 Mac's, 2 PC's, once we sat down and looked at what it cost to do it the right way, like your doing it, out went the Mac's. There was no specific reason for them to stay on Mac's.
As far as the comment on the Enterprise vs the smaller business. We implement Enterprise quality systems in small businesses. That is our business model. It is not expensive at all, at least today. I doubt we could do what we do today for the cost 5-6 years ago.
MS is not stupid, they are creating a lot of solid smaller business apps that are cost effective.
eji
Sep 27, 02:34 AM
they deleted a lot of my messages with an overly aggressive server-side spam filter.
Overly aggressive? I'm currently forwarding all my .Mac mail through Gmail because I got sick of so much junk mail -- 20 messages per day, usually more -- getting through from .Mac to my inbox. I actually thought they didn't have any spam filters at all.
Overly aggressive? I'm currently forwarding all my .Mac mail through Gmail because I got sick of so much junk mail -- 20 messages per day, usually more -- getting through from .Mac to my inbox. I actually thought they didn't have any spam filters at all.
CaptMurdock
Oct 13, 01:28 AM
Gotta go with the classics:
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y85/CaptMurdock/Screengrabs/Octoberdesktop.jpg
Original here. (http://www.fanpop.com/spots/peanuts/images/369924/title/great-pumpkin-wallpaper)
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y85/CaptMurdock/Screengrabs/Octoberdesktop.jpg
Original here. (http://www.fanpop.com/spots/peanuts/images/369924/title/great-pumpkin-wallpaper)
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Soreo
Jun 22, 04:10 PM
http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/22/no-pre-order-atandt-wont-have-an-iphone-4-for-you-until-june-29/
Way to completely (for lack of a batter term) blue-ball everyone...
Way to completely (for lack of a batter term) blue-ball everyone...
SidBala
Mar 16, 10:17 PM
There was an article about an 11 year old girl who was gangraped in Texas by 18 young men because she was dressed up like a 21-year-old prostitute.
So if she was really a 21 year old prostitute, the gang rape is okay then?
So if she was really a 21 year old prostitute, the gang rape is okay then?
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Digitaljim
Nov 29, 01:33 PM
It's sad that we live in a society where actors, pop/rap stars, sports stars, etc. get paid mega bucks while professions like "school teacher" get paid peanuts.
I agree, it is sad. But it is simple economics i'm afraid.
There is only one Tom Cruise or Jay-Z, so the supply of the 'talents' they bring to any project is massively small against a seemingly large demand, hence a huge fee is commanded.
Mr X the Schoolteacher, however, has no such bargaining power as there's a relatively large supply of people who could do the job.
I agree, it is sad. But it is simple economics i'm afraid.
There is only one Tom Cruise or Jay-Z, so the supply of the 'talents' they bring to any project is massively small against a seemingly large demand, hence a huge fee is commanded.
Mr X the Schoolteacher, however, has no such bargaining power as there's a relatively large supply of people who could do the job.
gfish31
Feb 2, 08:13 AM
new for the first time in a while... goin with a zen feel. the orange and green on the separate monitors is a nice look. got both images from interfacelift.com
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MACLUVERPro
Oct 6, 05:01 PM
Did you hear that Safari will not work with some older macs if it is installed with Leopard ??? OMG I hope they fix that before the release... Will I be mad!!
Neolithium
Dec 1, 04:31 PM
Nothing really special with me here yet.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1801176/screen-capture.png
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1801176/screen-capture.png
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Hilmi Hamidi
Dec 8, 12:18 PM
http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/5021/45215898.jpg
Bonte
Apr 7, 01:33 AM
It doesn't sound like all that much, Apple has a possible 100 million customers if MobileMe becomes free to use as backup. That is about 120 MB per user, pathetic. How much does Amazon have at the moment?
That is raw data space so no redundancy but also not compressed, i think raw data = usable data.
That is raw data space so no redundancy but also not compressed, i think raw data = usable data.
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arn
Nov 1, 06:46 PM
yeah, a side effect of some major mysql issues we had over the past 24 hours.
Bottom line - I fixed the query... so should work now.
arn
Bottom line - I fixed the query... so should work now.
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mikerr
Dec 21, 06:14 AM
Do we all like price fixing ?
Apple products are too often kept at RRP - not sure if its always by agreements with apple - "don't discount more than 10% or lose authorised reseller status"
Obviously good for apple products, but not for the consumer.
Apple products are too often kept at RRP - not sure if its always by agreements with apple - "don't discount more than 10% or lose authorised reseller status"
Obviously good for apple products, but not for the consumer.
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techlover828
Jan 14, 12:55 PM
posted lots of times before
PaRaGoNViCtiM
Sep 16, 12:09 PM
You could buy the "iPak". It comes with 2 cases, one for your iPod, and one for your accessories. TIP: They sell them at TJMaxx and Marshalls for cheap!!!!! Buy them there!!!!!
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a163/Paragonvictim/94d763b0-3f60-467f-8c1c-129751ebd49.gif
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Team America Wallpaper
Club America Wallpaper
Wolverine and Captain America
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a163/Paragonvictim/94d763b0-3f60-467f-8c1c-129751ebd49.gif
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MacBacker
Feb 10, 07:05 AM
I know that this is out of left field but does anybody know if switiching from a 1400 family plan to a 700 family plan but still paying over $100 in monthly charges affect the yearly updgrade for the primary line.
I'm looking to downgrade as I have over 7000 roll over minutes and save $20.00 but I wouldn't be worth it if I lose my yearly upgrade.
You won't lose your upgrade eligibility. I changed mine and my upgrade date is still the same.
I'm looking to downgrade as I have over 7000 roll over minutes and save $20.00 but I wouldn't be worth it if I lose my yearly upgrade.
You won't lose your upgrade eligibility. I changed mine and my upgrade date is still the same.
lsvtecjohn3
Mar 25, 11:07 AM
I've been saying that Apple was going to replace Google maps in iOS since last year in iOS 5. I hope I'm right.
arn
Oct 24, 08:52 PM
Hi all,
If you could post photos from your regional locations as attachments to your respective threads, that would be great.
We'll try to compile them later
thanks
arn
If you could post photos from your regional locations as attachments to your respective threads, that would be great.
We'll try to compile them later
thanks
arn
zap2
May 4, 11:51 PM
It would simply indicate a failure of intelligence, and would invalidate any trial evidence. His death is meaningless anyway.
Who wants retribution? Your country has just destroyed two other nations and caused the deaths of in the region of a million people, including 4,000 US soldiers, and more or less bankrupted itself, all for what, 3,000 dead, in a search for one man? Is that retribution, or is it lunacy? How many more people now want retribution on the USA?
You're over play that part, I agree generally with what you are saying(although the million estimate is on the higher end, its not without sources) but America had NOT bankrupted itself, it just needs to cut spending, a lot.
But thats not all because of 9/11, we just did balance the budget well overall, both on spending at home and spending internationally.
Actually he was just on O'Reilly claiming that statement was taken out of context, and stating plain as day that KSM was waterboarded by the CIA.
Just give a link, please. That way we all have access to the same info, and we can all talk about it equally
Right now, no one can argue with you because they only have your short hand story, where you narrow it down only to support your point, thats not wrong, its just not a useful starting point.
Who wants retribution? Your country has just destroyed two other nations and caused the deaths of in the region of a million people, including 4,000 US soldiers, and more or less bankrupted itself, all for what, 3,000 dead, in a search for one man? Is that retribution, or is it lunacy? How many more people now want retribution on the USA?
You're over play that part, I agree generally with what you are saying(although the million estimate is on the higher end, its not without sources) but America had NOT bankrupted itself, it just needs to cut spending, a lot.
But thats not all because of 9/11, we just did balance the budget well overall, both on spending at home and spending internationally.
Actually he was just on O'Reilly claiming that statement was taken out of context, and stating plain as day that KSM was waterboarded by the CIA.
Just give a link, please. That way we all have access to the same info, and we can all talk about it equally
Right now, no one can argue with you because they only have your short hand story, where you narrow it down only to support your point, thats not wrong, its just not a useful starting point.
iBecks
Jun 2, 10:07 AM
Looks good. :D
Peterkro
Mar 3, 02:31 PM
Fivepoint's argument is akin to complaining that the slaves weren't paying their fair share of the taxes, and the plantation owners were paying far too much.
This be true,those that produce the wealth,workers,are being asked to bail out the rich,those that ****ed up and sent the world economy into a nose dive.
This be true,those that produce the wealth,workers,are being asked to bail out the rich,those that ****ed up and sent the world economy into a nose dive.
HappyDude20
Apr 1, 12:11 PM
"The Obligatory "I Want OSX Lion Already!" Wallpaper :p
appleguy123
Jul 9, 02:39 AM
Walmart is the cheapest and that's only by $3.